Posts by Cold Steel

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New commentary on revelation coming up?

by EdenOne in

i heard through the grapevine about a forthcoming book:.

together through the great tribulation - come to jehovah's mountain.

still awaiting solid confirmation though.

Cold Steel

I've read the red book that the WTBTS published and it so reminds me of a book I was given by a Hari Krishna guy in Chicago. It showed blue-skinned people wearing exotic clothing and curved swords. I tried getting into it, but even though I knew each word individually, put them together and I had no clue. It was so esoteric that it was meaningless. The red book was far easier to grasp, but no more believable, and the "fulfillments" the writers imagined were so mindnumbingly bizarre that I could scarcely follow them across the tapestry of the early 1900s where the early history of the Society was interwoven with John's Apocalypse. The two prophets of Revelation 11 became a group of Bible students persecuted by the clergy in Canada from 1914-1918! Like the two prophets of Revelation 11, mentored by John, Isaiah and Zechariah, these Bible students were figuratively brought back to life in 1918 with favorable rulings by courts. "What a shock for those persecutors!" the book says.

Yes, well, it was certainly a shock for me, too! How prescient of the prophets to have foreseen these Bible students in 1918 (in Canada!). And how perceptive of the Governing Body to have correlated the two events! I've got to admit, I never would have seen it in a hundred years. I'm just breathless when I see these things being fulfilled before my eyes!

Seriously, how can people buy into this type of stuff?

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By Way of Announcement, Darlene Jefferson Has Been Disfellowshiped

by Cold Steel in

i was watching a jw video where the announcement was made of a young lady's being disfellowshiped, and it happened in a regular kh sunday meeting.

this struck me as being a bit...cold.

is this when the shunning begins?

Cold Steel

Wait For It » I was publicly reproved once.

What can one get publicly reproved for? Sounds like there is a great deal of discipline in the religion. If you're disfellowshiped, they don't say why at the podium, right? But if you're reproved, it almost begs the question.

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Caleb talks to his mother about the new system.

by LogCon in

mom: yes?.

you dont want to make jehovah sad, do you mom?.

mom: okay.. .

Cold Steel

I think you guys are making light of a grave situation.

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By Way of Announcement, Darlene Jefferson Has Been Disfellowshiped

by Cold Steel in

i was watching a jw video where the announcement was made of a young lady's being disfellowshiped, and it happened in a regular kh sunday meeting.

this struck me as being a bit...cold.

is this when the shunning begins?

Cold Steel

I was watching a JW video where the announcement was made of a young lady's being disfellowshiped, and it happened in a regular KH Sunday meeting. This struck me as being a bit...cold.

Is this when the shunning begins? I knew people get disfellowshiped, but I didn't realize it was that humiliating. Why don't they mount some strong computer controlled directional lights that can light up anyone in the congregation? That way you can make the announcement, darken the rest of the room and bring the flashing lights to bear on the poor soul. I mean, that would be really humiliating. You might even be able to drive the vile apostate to suicide!

I guess this thing really is more of a society than a church. Are these people who are disfellowshiped actually likely to show up for the announcement? Were any of you guys present for the announcement when you were DF'ed? And when the meeting breaks, do people just treat the person like they're not there? Are you allowed to even nod at the people or do you just become invisible?

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How Will Armageddon Begin?

by Cold Steel in

and how long will it last?

and who will come after that, yahweh, as the old testament says or jesus, as the new testament says?

the scriptures say he'll come to the mount of olives, but surely that's a spiritual mount of olives.

Cold Steel

Peely » I believe the ultimate battle of Armageddon is one of judgment to come upon God’s Chosen kings, and the establishment of his Kingdom with those who have proved their loyalty to Christ – the King of kings – those who have retained their covenant with him in repentance and refinement. Those who choose to reside in darkness (lies), enter the covenant of death under Satan’s “Babylon” (confusion) at the hands of the two Beasts of Revelation. God’s anointed Chosen ones can fall. 1 John 2:19; 2 Thess 2:1-4; 2 Cor 11:1-4; Isa 28:5-15.

When Jesus returns, he will indeed judge the earth. The Old Testament says that it's Yahweh who will come in the clouds with glory, while the New Testament says it will be Jesus. The Old Testament also says Yahweh will judge the earth when he comes, indicating that Yahweh and Jesus are one and the same. Not only do they have the same titles, John tells us that the Father judges no man, but has committed all judgment to the Son (John 5:22). So yes, God comes with both salvation and judgment.

The prophets make it unmistakably clear that when he comes, he will come to the Jews in Jerusalem. In fact, the scriptures speak of the times of the gentiles ending and the times of the Jews beginning. Zechariah warns the survivors of those nations that came up against the Jews that if they don't mend their enmity with each other and the Jews and come up to Jerusalem to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles, that he will smite them with plague, drought and famine (see Zechariah 14) until they do. It will be tough, but the Muslims will have to repudiate many of their beliefs to conform with the will of the God of Israel. It will not be easy. According to Ezekiel, it will take seven years to bury the dead and to burn the implements of war. The nations of the Antichrist also will have to completely reevaluate their theology.

Judah also will have to reevaluate its theology and accept Jesus as the Messiah, the Lord of Lords and King of Kings, and the God of Israel. He will pass through the East Gate of the city and into the third temple, which is yet to be built.

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How Will Armageddon Begin?

by Cold Steel in

and how long will it last?

and who will come after that, yahweh, as the old testament says or jesus, as the new testament says?

the scriptures say he'll come to the mount of olives, but surely that's a spiritual mount of olives.

Cold Steel

Prophecy taken from Ezekiel 38 shows this to be in our day:

8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.
9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.
10 Thus saith the Lord God; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:
11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.

Ezekiel tells us that Armageddon will take place "in the latter years" (read "latter days") the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people." Prophetically, this is right on. In no other time has Judah ever been gathered out of many nations except for right now. And never has Israel ever dwelt safely "without walls" and "having neither bars nor gates" and "unwalled villages" except in our day. After World War II, the Jews (Judah) began gathering to Palestine out of many nations -- from both North and South America, Asia, Europe, the nations of Africa and the islands of the sea. How did Ezekiel know that Judah would be "the people that are gathered out of the nations" in the last days?

Ezekiel also identifies the nations that would be against Israel, and they include modern day Syria, Egypt, Turkey, Iraq, Iran and Saudi Arabia (all Muslim nations). Also, Islam has vowed to destroy Israel and will do so according to its own eschatology. Again, how did Ezekiel know hundreds of years before Jesus that Judah would be scattered throughout the nations of the earth, then miraculously gathered back to its ancestral homeland? And how did he know they would be threatened by their Islamic nations? Look at the Six Day War, where all the pundits predicted that Israel would be wiped off the map, yet Israel miraculously creamed its enemies and in just days increased its land possessions by several hundred percent!

Atheists and JWs fail to see the incredible fulfillment of prophecy that's going on before their eyes. And it's going to get much worse, then much better.

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The Governing Body Individually Should Google Their Names

by Brokeback Watchtower in

google has a great search engine.

and gb member can find it a valuable aid to see what the world outside of jws thinks of them.

hey they should know what being said about them it would make them better gbs, it would give them a good view of their 'shadow' (jungian) and might make them more effective ceo of jehovah's chariot.if am3 typed in "anthony morris governing body" look at all the neat stuff he would find.. i know google is tailored to each individual but here's what comes up on my screen:.

Cold Steel

You gotta admit...the man looks happy!

One more thing. I'll betcha a million billion dollars they Google each other's names, too.

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If Watchtower can use a non-sequitur to say that Jesus now knows the day and the hour, despite Matthew 24:36 ....

by Island Man in

... where's the good sense preventing them from again making a date prediction for the end and using a non-sequitur to justify their claim in the face of matthew 24:36?

"... but christ has been empowered in heaven to wage war against satan's world.

(rev 19:11-16) thus, it is reasonable to conclude that jesus now knows when armageddon will occur...." - watchtower july 2016, page 14, par.

Cold Steel

"... But Christ has been empowered in heaven to wage war against Satan's world. (Rev 19:11-16) Thus, it is reasonable to conclude that Jesus now knows when Armageddon will occur...." - Watchtower July 2016, page 14, par. 4.

Look, the writer was simply stating an opinion. And he or she may be right. If we accept that "all authority in Heaven and Earth" has been given to Jesus, it would stand to reason that he would now know the time of his coming. The biblical Armageddon will begin about three and a half years after the historic peace agreement with Gog/Antichrist. At that time the agreement will be negated and the Muslim nations surrounding Israel will attack in a war of annihilation. Two prophets will withstand the enemy for another three and a half years, but will ultimately be killed. Their bodies will lie on the streets of Jerusalem for three and a half days. Then Jesus comes, destroys Gog, converts the Jews and restores the Temple, making Jerusalem a world capital.

My point is, that one the peace agreement is signed, anyone with a calendar will be able to accurately predict Christ's coming. Thus, what was once true no longer will hold true. In the Society's case, the writer simply states an opinion that may or may not be true.

If the GB is God's official channel, as the JWs believe, then such a statement might be an inspired utterance. But whether an opinion or declaration, the statement may actually be correct. But to me it just sounded like an opinion. Nothing more.

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The Governing Body Individually Should Google Their Names

by Brokeback Watchtower in

google has a great search engine.

and gb member can find it a valuable aid to see what the world outside of jws thinks of them.

hey they should know what being said about them it would make them better gbs, it would give them a good view of their 'shadow' (jungian) and might make them more effective ceo of jehovah's chariot.if am3 typed in "anthony morris governing body" look at all the neat stuff he would find.. i know google is tailored to each individual but here's what comes up on my screen:.

Cold Steel

I guarantee you they Google their names.

I'll bet you a million billion dollars they Google their own names!

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How Will Armageddon Begin?

by Cold Steel in

and how long will it last?

and who will come after that, yahweh, as the old testament says or jesus, as the new testament says?

the scriptures say he'll come to the mount of olives, but surely that's a spiritual mount of olives.

Cold Steel

Peely » This war is not fought with literal weapons used in literal war. The symbolism of Revelation and Joel helps define it as fought in the valley of “decision”.

John only refers to it in passing, Peely. The real meat of these prophecies is in Ezekiel 38-39, Zechariah 12, 14, and Psalm 83. And I guarantee you real weapons will be employed. Ezekiel tells us specifically what nations will be involved and about the personality known as Gog (the Beast). Every nation listed is a Muslim nation. Add to that that Islamic eschatology calls for a war of total destruction against the Jews -- only in their prophecies, they win and destroy the Jews.

When Jesus/Yahweh returns he will come to the Mount of Olives and scripture says his feet will touch the Mount, just as the angel predicted. One of the Jews will ask him, "What are these wounds in your hands?"

Jesus will destroy all but a sixth of Gog's forces. The Jews will finally be converted and Jerusalem will become a world capital. It's all there. But that's the biblical Armageddon. I'm not sure how the JWs came up with their concept, which is more like the Norse Ragnorak.